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“…you realize then that most of the trouble comes from the hardcore. Now, our problem is we don’t know how large that is out of 1.5 billion Muslims. It doesn’t have to be huge, does it? Because 10 percent of that is 150 million Muslims, so whether it’s a majority or a minority, if we trust pew polls, which consistently show high levels of support for things like Sharia Law, etc. it might be bigger than that, and it puts me in mind of something that William Sherman said during the Civil War. Sherman had lived in the south and was living in the south when the war broke out, so he knew the southern people, and at some point in a letter he said there are 300,000 southerners that you’re going to have to kill. Right? There’s nothing that’s going to get them to change their mind. You’re not going to convert them by argument. You’re not going to bribe them. There’s no inducement you have. He said they’re good riders, good fighters. They’re brave men. They have to die. When they die, then the others who may agree with them and their principles will give up, and I think we have something of the same today, only I think the proportion would be much higher in terms of the Muslim world.
And just let me finish with a melancholy fact of history is that when you have two different ideologies, whether religious or the slaveocracy ideology, race based or whatever it is, or Nazism versus liberal democracy, or Communism versus liberal democracy, those kinds of disputes are not settled through negotiation. They’re not settled through finding common ground. They’re only settled by force. They only are settled by killing lots and lots of people until you killed enough to where they will give up. That’s how World War II was fought. The only reason that the war of Communism didn’t follow that pattern is because there was a mutually assured destruction, and both sides had an interest in not settling it that way, but Communism was an atheist ideology in which there is only this world. Iran has a particular brand of Islam that is messianic and apocalyptic, and we can sit here and wonder whether they really don’t believe in what they say they believe in, but we should have learned from our experience in the ’30s when every atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis ended up doing was all laid out in “Mein Kampf” and then was repeated during the early ’30s at the party rallies in Nuremburg and nobody took it seriously. Said well, they don’t really mean that. I think it’s the idea that when they say, particularly if you’re Israel, if they say we want to wipe you off the map, you better believe they want to wipe you off the map, and then you’d better do something about it.
Jamie Glazov:Thank you so much, Bruce. Robert?
Robert Spencer: Well, I hate to bring bad news, but that’s really all I do, actually. The fact is people have been asking me yesterday and today, as well as at pretty much everywhere that I speak, what can we do to encourage the moderates? And I’ve got to tell you that there are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam. That is an unpleasant fact, but it is a fact, and I’ll explain. Now, moderate Muslims, people usually assume that that means Muslims who believe different things from the Jihadis, that they don’t believe that it is part of their religious responsibility to wage war against unbelievers. They don’t believe that they should hate Jews and kill them. They don’t believe that they should subjugate women and non-Muslims as inferiors in the society under an institutionalized system of discrimination and harassment. There is actually no such Islam….”